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billy
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Re: New to All This

Postby billy » Dec 29, 2017

Marek, definitely not you, and I'm sure you never would. It would be easier to name culprit, but prefer to chat to him first to give him a chance to defend himself.

marekjoz
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Joined: Jun 17, 2014

Re: New to All This

Postby marekjoz » Dec 29, 2017

Well,
I have witnessed it myself and also from a "top player". It happened a few times already in different circumstances and followed by different explanations. It always happened however after explosion of emotions:
- he was leading almost the whole game and in the last round he just received qs making him not win
- he observed the next time a kind of incompetence of another player, who should with him chase the low, but instead had not enough skills and made another serious mistake

It is rarely personal, just a sign of weakness and helplessness. Every game is another history, after which only conclusions remain and emotions disappear.

There are well known quitters here and since I stopped playing with them, quitting during a play is a very rare occurence...
Sadly - a list for it is required ;-(

pmath1
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Joined: Dec 19, 2017

Re: New to All This

Postby pmath1 » Dec 29, 2017

Thank you for responding SunnyCorner. I have no desire to argue or debate. I don't know you and - key to our discussion - you don't know me. I acknowledge that you have every right to be skeptical. I assume you would acknowledge that I have every right not to answer your questions. Does that somehow make me worthy of disparagement?

I started playing because I like the game and want to get better. Almost immediately, you - an internet stranger to me - repeatedly asked for my physical location. Is it reasonable that a newcomer might not want to answer that question? I believe it is not only reasonable but appropriate. Yet I became the subject of ridicule. Is that in the best interests of the group?

"No-one is "stalking" anyone or name calling" You published a record you have maintained of my supposed locations. Multiple times now you have called me a fraud, a cheat, dodgy and secretive. Do you now deny it? To any reasonable person that is stalking and name calling.

"...you constantly change your IP and the flag does not match." So if I access the internet from home one day, work another, Starbucks another, then from home again, and from time to time while on a trip that is not only somehow unacceptable but is a good reason to suspect that I'm a fraud? And if a person chooses any flag other than the one corresponding with their IP address they are a cheat? Is it reasonable that a person might choose a flag because it represents their homeland, or their ancestry, or a place they like or recently visited, or because they like the colors, or for any frivolous reason whatsoever? And for the person who does such things, is their only remedy to disclose their personal information to you? Think about it. If such a person were a fraud, wouldn't they be quite likely to answer you and continue to deceive rather than stay silent?

"I suggest you offer an explanation and stop your whining" I believe I have provided a detailed explanation. I'll leave it to others to decide if what I'm doing is whining. I'll state again clearly, I have one and only one username and have never quit on a game. I'm guessing you have some ability to verify that and could confirm that to the group if you chose to. It's only been a month, but I plan to continue playing. The passage of time will only make it clearer. As that happens, perhaps you will reconsider your methods. Marekjoz explained your motivation, I understood it and am thankful to have the information. I can see how that would benefit the group. But in your zeal to expose fraud, will legitimate newcomers continue to be acceptable collateral damage or will you consider a change to your approach?

Happy New Year SunnyCorner. I wish you peace and prosperity.

shimmy
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Joined: Jan 20, 2018

Re: New to All This

Postby shimmy » Jan 20, 2018

Pmath, I am replying only to share with you that I had the exact same experience, verbatim. In fact, the reason I found this forum, was to see how I could go about reporting or seeing if others had similar situations...

I, too, have never played anything online before, but started to play because my husband and son play this game. I started getting attacked, obviously by the same individual, because it sounds identical. I have no idea what an IP address even is- nor do I really care- other than it creeps me out that someone takes the effort to check this out. Besides, how having different IP addresses leads to "fraud" is beyond me.

This is a game for goodness sake. Obviously people play for different reasons and have different personalities, but for me, it is to have fun, to learn as I go along and to distract me from a hellish day at work and other stresses. When this person bullied me- and yes, it is bullying- I tried to find another online game, but sadly couldn't.

I have decided to put my "tough hat" on and ignore, but it does worry me that there are people out there who a) bully online b) actually care so much about others who are simply playing a GAME!!! and c) stalk people online, their whereabouts, IP's, etc. I could go on and on.

Rest assured you were not alone!!!

shimmy
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Joined: Jan 20, 2018

Re: New to All This

Postby shimmy » Jan 20, 2018

I omitted to add that I would have very happily explained why i changed my name and flag- but not through intimidation and interrogation, which is what I experienced. The ironic part was that I changed my name and flag as I was accused of cheating when playing with my husband. It was actually hilarious because being new to the game, I don't really know how to cheat! I always laugh that I WISH I could be more strategic! But, that would never include cheating, which is hardly in my nature...

Thank you for your very articulate posts; I am grateful to have heard some perspectives. Too bad one of the people who is so determined to protect the integrity and honesty of the game lacks some pretty basic people skills...

SunnyCorner
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Joined: Nov 17, 2013

Re: New to All This

Postby SunnyCorner » Jan 22, 2018

Its not possible to respond to this without any names - but I'm sure she'll be telling the others players when she's playing with her husband and or son....
LOL
Regards to all. Ice

pmath1
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Joined: Dec 19, 2017

Re: New to All This

Postby pmath1 » Jan 22, 2018

Thanks for sharing your story Shimmy! Hope we can play a game sometime.

billy
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Joined: Mar 13, 2014

Re: New to All This

Postby billy » Jan 22, 2018

I've possibly missed something here. But who is Shimmy ? Can't find the name on leaderboard. And who's JohnCDA from an earlier post. He doesn't seem to appear on leaderboard either. Having played for best part of 4 years now, I would have expected to see their names in the lobby at some point.
Does anyone know if everyone is listed on the leaderboard ? It goes down to 400 or more places with the low score of 1200. Are there others that just aren't shown.
My two grandsons, Billydot and Martello used to play on here. They were approached and questions were asked. From what they told me, it was a civil chat, no intimidation or interrogation involved, just simply asked if they were one and the same and why did they do it. They were only 13 and didn't know what to say. They don't play now. I realised this wasn't an online platform they should be using, Too much abuse, although they probably hear worse at school !!
It's difficult to know for sure ( as I see it ) who are the fraudsters and who are not. People using the same device will have the same IP address. A few are genuine, but the majority are definitely not, so I feel Sunny is doing a good job in cleaning up this site. Changing names and flags certainly suggests wrongdoing.
regards Billy

SunnyCorner
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Re: New to All This

Postby SunnyCorner » Jan 25, 2018

Billy – the forum is separate from the game and vice-versa.

You can register on the forum without ever having played – and you can play without ever registering on the forum.

Thats why we get so much SPAM on here. I've now removed well over 200 adverts that have no connection whatsoever to the games being played.

It is difficult to identify the fraudsters but I suggest you keep a list? Over a period of time you can identify who is known and safe, and who its wise to avoid.

Your point raises others issues concerning the vulnerability and protection of young people. It makes it all the more important to do what we can to ensure that we have some idea who we are playing with.

As we have no other mechanism other than asking a few questions thats all we can do. The innocent, as you have mentioned, who have nothing to hide are usually ok with that. IP address tracers are only accurate to within 25 miles of a persons address so its hardly an invasion of privacy, or intimidation or stalking or bullying is it!

A question has been raised in a post above about IPs, “ how having different IP addresses leads to "fraud" is beyond me”, well let me remind everyone about aristo. He set up over 50 different names on here all playing and quitting on a regular basis. He was targeting good players and those he didn't like and has ruined 1000s of games by his behaviour. He is certainly NOT the only one.

We have caught out a growing number who are on here playing together and claiming no connection yet are clearly in the same location and helping each other as they have the same IP address.

And its always the same excuses followed by the same patterns of abuse and the same old story – it always somebody else's fault.

Regards to all. Ice

pmath1
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Joined: Dec 19, 2017

Re: New to All This

Postby pmath1 » Jan 30, 2018

And what do you do when you're wrong?


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